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FxAngel
Posts:5

10-28-2006 11:29 AM Alert 

Hello Murray, hi all,

Firstly, thanks a lot to your entire devotion to us.

Replies take time but it's OK, so please don't consider my last post.

Now back to others questions concerning 2.5 v :

1) Do you plan to provide us a complete tutorial and recording videos demonstrations and éducation as : how getting started, how open a chart, what's a strategy and its different steppings, how buiding simple and advanced strategies, the mind behind the TS coding language, the TS coding language dictionnary, Optimization or not optimization, automation orders or not automation orders, dicretionary trading and automatic trading,.......etc.......?

2) I used to study performance reports in term of R-multiples (see Van Tharp's book) and NOT in pure money. I mean, could you consider to add this feature in the next version ? For example, a performance report showing all results in R- multiples.

3) Would it be possible to build a strategy including different "time frame" conditions ? For example buy if ADX of the 1 hour time frame >30 and barclosed (0)>baropen(0) of the 15minutes time frame ?

4) What do you plan to do concerning over-fitting problems when optimization ? A special algorythm may be ?

In the same state of mind to do things VISUALLY please :

a) don't forget that Statistics are much more easier to understand and interpret when they are made in graph with X and Y axis or better in 3D.

b) Dont forget that The "drag and drop" feature is a great tool for beginner and even for advanced traders aswell because it avoid tipo.

Thanks for your attention,

Have a good day

Rgrds

FxAngel

No one fails at anything, everything you do produces results

murray
Posts:519

10-28-2006 12:54 PM Alert 
Posted By FxAngel on 10-28-2006 11:29 AM

Hello Murray, hi all,

Firstly, thanks a lot to your entire devotion to us.

Replies take time but it's OK, so please don't consider my last post.

Now back to others questions concerning 2.5 v :

1) Do you plan to provide us a complete tutorial and recording videos demonstrations and éducation as : how getting started, how open a chart, what's a strategy and its different steppings, how buiding simple and advanced strategies, the mind behind the TS coding language, the TS coding language dictionnary, Optimization or not optimization, automation orders or not automation orders, dicretionary trading and automatic trading,.......etc.......?

   Yes we supply a tutorial on the product, which is written in a step by step format.

2) I used to study performance reports in term of R-multiples (see Van Tharp's book) and NOT in pure money. I mean, could you consider to add this feature in the next version ? For example, a performance report showing all results in R- multiples.

         I have not read is work, because most of it was based on orginal sources which I have studied. What is his R-Multiples, please give me formula and I will let you know. We might be able to do a custom report with it. This could be written in TradersStudio basic so might not have to wait 

 

3) Would it be possible to build a strategy including different "time frame" conditions ? For example buy if ADX of the 1 hour time frame >30 and barclosed (0)>baropen(0) of the 15minutes time frame ?

Yes

4) What do you plan to do concerning over-fitting problems when optimization ? A special algorythm may be ?

  This is a big topic and I will address it on ET soon and also copy it here. I have methods for solving this problem. The easiest is to develop on a basket of markets even if they are all in the same sector because your system only works in that sector, for example a Energy system which trades Crude,Heating oil and the old unleaded gas before it was discontinued.

     I will discuss it more when I have some more time.

 

 

In the same state of mind to do things VISUALLY please :

a) don't forget that Statistics are much more easier to understand and interpret when they are made in graph with X and Y axis or better in 3D.

  I have some optimization macro's for Excel which important the tradersstudio optimize report and do 3D analysis. I will make them available for under 50.00  after 2.5 is released.

b) Dont forget that The "drag and drop" feature is a great tool for beginner and even for advanced traders aswell because it avoid tipo.

 Available in 2.5

Thanks for your attention,

Have a good day

Rgrds

FxAngel

No one fails at anything, everything you do produces results



murray
Posts:519

10-28-2006 12:54 PM Alert 
Posted By FxAngel on 10-28-2006 11:29 AM

Hello Murray, hi all,

Firstly, thanks a lot to your entire devotion to us.

Replies take time but it's OK, so please don't consider my last post.

Now back to others questions concerning 2.5 v :

1) Do you plan to provide us a complete tutorial and recording videos demonstrations and éducation as : how getting started, how open a chart, what's a strategy and its different steppings, how buiding simple and advanced strategies, the mind behind the TS coding language, the TS coding language dictionnary, Optimization or not optimization, automation orders or not automation orders, dicretionary trading and automatic trading,.......etc.......?

   Yes we supply a tutorial on the product, which is written in a step by step format.

2) I used to study performance reports in term of R-multiples (see Van Tharp's book) and NOT in pure money. I mean, could you consider to add this feature in the next version ? For example, a performance report showing all results in R- multiples.

         I have not read is work, because most of it was based on orginal sources which I have studied. What is his R-Multiples, please give me formula and I will let you know. We might be able to do a custom report with it. This could be written in TradersStudio basic so might not have to wait 

 

3) Would it be possible to build a strategy including different "time frame" conditions ? For example buy if ADX of the 1 hour time frame >30 and barclosed (0)>baropen(0) of the 15minutes time frame ?

Yes

4) What do you plan to do concerning over-fitting problems when optimization ? A special algorythm may be ?

  This is a big topic and I will address it on ET soon and also copy it here. I have methods for solving this problem. The easiest is to develop on a basket of markets even if they are all in the same sector because your system only works in that sector, for example a Energy system which trades Crude,Heating oil and the old unleaded gas before it was discontinued.

     I will discuss it more when I have some more time.

 

 

In the same state of mind to do things VISUALLY please :

a) don't forget that Statistics are much more easier to understand and interpret when they are made in graph with X and Y axis or better in 3D.

  I have some optimization macro's for Excel which important the tradersstudio optimize report and do 3D analysis. I will make them available for under 50.00  after 2.5 is released.

b) Dont forget that The "drag and drop" feature is a great tool for beginner and even for advanced traders aswell because it avoid tipo.

 Available in 2.5

Thanks for your attention,

Have a good day

Rgrds

FxAngel

No one fails at anything, everything you do produces results



FxAngel
Posts:5

10-29-2006 7:01 AM Alert 

Dear Murray,

As you ask me this is below an explanation about EXPECTANCY or R-multiples and opportunity factor :

What is expectancy in a nutshell?

A trading system can be characterized as a distribution of the R-multiples it generates.  Expectancy is simply the mean or average R-multiple generated. 

What does that mean?

By now you should know that in the game of trading it is much more efficient to think of the profits and losses of your trades as a ratio of the initial risk taken (R).

But let's just go over it again briefly:

One of the real secrets of trading success is to think in terms of risk-to-reward ratios every time you take a trade.  Ask yourself, before you take a trade, "What's the risk on this trade?  Is the potential reward worth the potential risk?" 

So how do you determine the potential risk on a trade?  Well, at the time you enter any trade, you should pre-determine some point at which you'd get out of the trade to preserve your capital.  That exit point is the risk you have in the trade or your expected loss.  For example, if you buy a $40 stock and you decide to get out if that stock falls to $30, then your risk is $10. 

The risk you have in a trade is called R.  That should be easy to remember because R is short for risk.  R can represent either your risk per unit, which in the example is $10 per share, or it can represent your total risk.  If you bought 100 shares of stock with a risk of $10 per share, then you would have a total risk of $1,000.

Remember to think in terms of risk-to-reward ratios.  If you know that your total initial risk on a position is $1,000, then you can express all of your profits and losses as a ratio of your initial risk.  For example, if you make a profit of $2,000 (2 x $1000 or $20/share), then you have a 2R profit.  If you have a profit of $10,000 (10 x $1000) then you have a profit of 10R.

The same thing works on the loss side.  If you have a loss of $500, then you have a 0.5R loss.  If you have a loss of $2000, then you have a 2R loss. 

But wait, you say, how could you have a 2R loss if your total risk was $1000?  Well, perhaps you didn't keep your word about taking a $1000 loss and you didn't exit when you should have exited.  Perhaps the market gapped down against you.  Losses bigger than 1R happen all the time.  Your goal as a trader (or as an investor) is to keep your losses at 1R or less.  Warren Buffet, known to many as the world's most successful investor, says the number one rule of investing is to not lose money.  However, contrary to popular belief, Warren Buffet does have losses.  Thus, a much better version of Buffet's number one rule would be to keep your losses to 1R or less.

When you have a series of profits and losses expressed as risk-reward ratios, what you really have is what Van calls an R-multiple distribution.  As a result, any trading system can be characterized as being an R-multiple distribution.  In fact, you'll find that thinking about trading system as R-multiple distributions really helps you understand your system and learn what you can expect from them in the future.

So what does all of this have to do with expectancy? 

When you have an R-multiple distribution from your trading system, you need to get the mean of that distribution. (The mean is the average value of a set of numbers).  And the mean R-multiple equals the system's expectancy.  

Expectancy gives you the average R-value that you can expect from the system over many trades.  Put another way, expectancy tells you how much you can expect to make on the average, per dollar risked, over a number of trades. 

So when you have a distribution of trades to analyze, you can look at the profit and loss of each one of the trades that was executed in terms of R (how much was profit and loss based on your initial risk) and determine whether the system is a profitable system.

Let's look at an example:

 

Entry Price

Stop

1R

Actual Exit Price

Profit/Loss

 

 

 

 

 

 

Trade One

$50.00

$45.00

$5.00

$60.00

2R gain

Trade Two

$22.00

$20.00

$2.00

$16.00 

3R loss

Trade Three

$100.00

$80.00 

$20.00

$300.00

10R gain

Trade Four

$79.00 

$70.00

$9.00

$70.00 

1R loss

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

Total R

8R

 

 

 

Expectancy (Mean = 8R / 4)

2R 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So this "system" has an expectancy of 2R,  which means you can "expect" to make two times what you risk over the long term using this system, based on the data that you have available.

Please note that you can only get a good idea of your system's expectancy when you have a minimum of thirty trades to analyze, and the preference would be to have 100 to 200 trades to really get a clear picture of the system's expectancy.

So in the real world of investing or trading, expectancy tells you the net profit or loss that you can expect over a large number of single unit trades.  If the total amount of money in the losing trades is greater than the total amount of money in the winning trades, then you are a net loser and have a negative expectancy.  If the total amount of money in the winning trades is greater than the total amount of money in the losing trades, then you are a net winner and have a positive expectancy.

Example, you could have 99 losing trades, each costing you a dollar.  Thus, you would be down $99.  However, if you had one winning trade of $500, then you would have a net payoff of $401 ($500 less $99)--despite the fact that only one of your trades was a winner and 99% of your trades were losers.

We'll end our definition of expectancy here because it is a subject that can become much more complex.

Van Tharp has written extensively on this topic and it is one of the core concepts that he teaches. As you become more and more familiar with R-Multiples, position sizing and system development, expectancy will become much easier to understand.

To safely master the art of trading or investing, it is best to learn and understand all of this material. Although it may seem complex at times, we encourage you to persevere because like any worthwhile endeavor, as soon as you truly grasp it and then work towards mastering it, you will catapult your chances of real success in the markets.

 

Opportunity Factor:

Probably the most important factor (besides Expectancy) in looking at set of trading metrics is the Opportunity Factor or How often you get to play the game, how many times you are at bat, how many trades you make in a given time period.

**note** At this point Van Tharp describes his marble game and how it relates to expectancy...so you really need to have read the proceeding pages to understand the metrics here.

Let's look at how the opportunity factor changes the value of a game. Suppose you could play the game for one hour. Since you could draw a marble every minute in game # 1, you'd have an opportunity factor of 60 or 60 chances to play the game. Next you in game # 2 you get to draw a marble every 5 minutes for game # 2, you'd have an opportunity factor of 12 or 12 chances to play the game.

Remember that your expectancy is the amount you would win per dollars risked over a large number of opportunities. Thus, the more times you can play the game, the more likely you are to realize the expectancy of the game.

Ok, now in order to evaluate the relative merits of each game, you must multiply the number of times you can play the game by the expectancy. When comparing the two games over an hour, assuming that you risk $1. each time, you'd get the following results:

GAME #1: Expectancy of 20 cents times 60 opportunities = $12.00

GAME #2: Expectancy of 78 cents times 12 opportunities = $9.36

Thus, given the opportunity restraints that we arbitrarily imposed, game #1 is actually better than game # 2 assuming you only risked $1. per trade. And when you evaluate expectancy in the market, you must give similar consideration to the amount of opportunity your system presents you. For example, a 50 cent expectancy system (after transaction cost) that gives you three trades per week is much better than a 50 cent expectancy system that gives you one trade per month.

Thanks

FxAngel



murray
Posts:519

10-29-2006 8:14 AM Alert 
Thanks
FxAngel
Posts:5

10-29-2006 11:24 AM Alert 
Hello Murray,

Because I don't know how to include attached files in my post, I just sent you a private message (contacts@tradersstudio.com)

Watching and studying statistics results (performance reports of strategies) accross R-Multiples method is one of the best way to do. I mean including all these features in ts would be great.

Thanks for your careful attention,

Have a good day,

regards

FxAngel

murray
Posts:519

11-01-2006 10:09 AM Alert 
Posted By FxAngel on 10-29-2006 11:24 AM
Hello Murray,

Because I don't know how to include attached files in my post, I just sent you a private message (contacts@tradersstudio.com)

Watching and studying statistics results (performance reports of strategies) accross R-Multiples method is one of the best way to do. I mean including all these features in ts would be great.

Thanks for your careful attention,

Have a good day,

regards

FxAngel


Added some of this in 2.5
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